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How about the secret of the 4's and 10s?

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Most place bettors seem confident that the best place bet is the 6 or 8.

This bet pays 7:6, that is when you bet $30, you'llLarry Edell has been the editor of 'The Crapshooter Newsletter' since 1994. He has published nine books and over two hundred different articles in magazines such as 'Casino Player', 'Gaming Today', 'Mid West Players 'and 'Gambling Times'. Larry's website is www.thecrapshooter.com win $35.

Some people place bet both numbers together, increasing their chances of winning, but at the same time, exposing their money to more risk. If the seven rolls, you're out $60 (2 x $30), which means you have to win twice more just to get ahead.

The seven should roll six times in 36 rolls, and the combination of the 6 and 8 should roll ten times (five times each). So, in 36 rolls, you should win 10 times (at $35) and lose six times (at $60). This turns out to be a net loss of $10 ($350-$360).

Not too bad, really, considering all the comps you'll be getting while you're playing the sixes and eights. But are there any other numbers that we can bet on which could provide even a more profitable win than the six and eight?

Wanna know the secret that craps pros use to get better odds than the 6 and 8 offers? Let's find out.

In 36 rolls, the four and ten combination should roll six times (three each), the same amount as the seven. By betting $25 on both the four and ten, you should win six times (6 x $45) and lose six times (6 x $50), resulting in a net loss of $30 ($270-$300).

However, there are some special circumstances surrounding these numbers.

The four and ten can be bought for a 5% commission. In addition, some casinos only charge this 'vig' if you win. And finally, that 5% commission is usually only $1 on a $25 bet (instead of $1.25) to obtain true odds, or 2:1 (instead of 9:5) for your bets.

This means that if you buy the four and ten and win either number, you'll get $50 (at 2:1) instead of $45 (at 9:5).

As previously mentioned, by placing the 6 & 8 you might lose $10 in 36 rolls. By buying the 4 & 10, you should win six times if either the four or ten hit, at 2:1 odds (6 x $50 = $300). You might also lose six times if the seven rolls, losing both of your bets (6 x $50 = $300), resulting in an exactly even proposition, not counting the vigs.

If you play in a casino that only collects the vigs when you win, you'll only lose $6 in vigs for six wins, which is $4 less than you'd lose by placing the six or eight.

And by buying both the four and ten, you'll get higher comps, and have a slightly lower risk.

And now an even larger difference between the 4 & 10 and the 6 & 8 becomes evident.

If you place the 6 & 8 for $30 each and lose (2 x $30 = $60), you'll need to win twice more just to get ahead (2 x $35 = $70, at 7:6).

However, if you buy the 4 & 10 for $25 each and lose (2 x $25 = $50), you'll need to win just once more (2 x $25 = $50, at 2:1) to break even!

More and more crapshooters are trying this play, especially in casinos that only charge the vig on winning bets. So, the next time you think of placing the 6 and 8, try buying the 4 and 10 instead!

Pssst...! Now you know the secrets of betting on the 4's and 10s!

Yokeoh
I had read that pechanga casino has a similar setup to barona, but that is not the case it uses two sets of cards A-6 that are put in a shuffler to simulate the roll. There are no dice involved but the setup simulates a dice roll. I have more confidence playing here then other california casinos that use multideck shoes.
Venthus
I don't know what setup Barona uses, but you might try Harrah's Rincon.
Six red cards, six green cards are placed face down on a layout. Roll red and green dice. Open the corresponding cards.
Alternatively, Pala uses a 36-card deck, representing each permutation. Two are placed face down. Gaffed blue and red dice are rolled, the corresponding card of the higher die is opened.
Edit, 2/23: No, I did not fix the number of cards in the deck, days after posting. Why would anybody think that? *blink*
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I had read that pechanga casino has a similar setup to barona, but that is not the case it uses two sets of cards A-6 that are put in a shuffler to simulate the roll. There are no dice involved but the setup simulates a dice roll.


How do you know this information and how current is it?
Wizard section on California craps.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Yokeoh
Yes, i had relied on this description when deciding to visit pechanga. Other then the fact no dice are used the game is a fair representation of craps. Also this is based on my visit 2/21/15
Wizard
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Yes, i had relied on this description when deciding to visit pechanga. Other then the fact no dice are used the game is a fair representation of craps. Also this is based on my visit 2/21/15


Thanks. So, do you claim that Pechanga is now using the Agua Caliente method?
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Yokeoh

Thanks. So, do you claim that Pechanga is now using the Agua Caliente method?


Yes, it's like that description
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Quote: Wizard

Thanks. So, do you claim that Pechanga is now using the Agua Caliente method?


Yes, it's like that descriptionI do not think they are the same
in other words, they are the same but different
next time I am at both I will take a few photos/videos
as I remember
CrapsAgua Caliente in Palm Springs right off the 10 freeway
uses two shuffle machines on the table next to boxman (I forget the machine name)
12 cards are on the table and 12 cards are in the machines being shuffled
the first cards of each color are turned up
Pechanga cut the rail by stick and installed the shuffle machine (there is only one)
that only uses 12 cards
6 of different color
6 in at a time in two different slots after the last roll is complete and players are making bets
I think Pechanga machine uses an rng to determine what card is drawn first that goes on the table in front of stick
from what I have read but I could be wrong
I would guess two phone calls would get a few answers too
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Alternatively, Pala uses a 32-card deck, representing each permutation...

I hope that's a typo and you meant a 36

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Thanks Sally for your take on this. I have updated my page yet again to show that the issue is under dispute.

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I would indeed appreciate what you learn your next visit. If you can sneak photos, all the better! How about more of your shoes too.

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This is the description for penchaga
Pechanga cut the rail by stick and installed the shuffle machine (there is only one)
that only uses 12 cards
6 of different color
6 in at a time in two different slots after the last roll is complete and players are making bets
I think Pechanga machine uses an rng to determine what card is drawn first that goes on the table in front of stick
from what I have read but I could be wrong